Posted June 07, 2006 at 01:56:35 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover re: a Wedding notice!
(Newspaper) - [Note: Ancestry.com lists this as 'Suburbanite Economist' (Chicago, Illinois), but on the actual page image, is printed...] Southtown Economist, Tuesday, August 31, 1926, Page 3: ~ ESTHER CLAUSSEN and CARL W. CARLSON ARE MARRIED SATURDAY. - DASKETS of vari-colored gladioli, palms and ferns gave an air of gaiety to the home of Mr. and Mrs. John Fred CLAUSSEN, 1636 W. 101st St., whose daughter, Esther M. CLAUSSEN, became the bride of Carl Walter CARLSON, son of Mrs. Hannah CARLSON, 1312 W. 98th St., Saturday. - Contrasting with this background was the white satin bridal gown worn by Miss CLAUSSEN. It was cut with a tight bodice and a bouffant, though short, skirt. Her tulle veil was fastened in a bonnet arrangement, and with the costume she carried roses and lilies of the valley. - Pink georgette and tulle fashioned the frock of Miss Ruth CLAUSSEN, sister of the bride, who was the bridesmaid. She carried pink roses. - Milton CARLSON, brother of the bridegroom, attended his brother as best man, and Miss Charlotte WINDER played the bridal march as the bridal party took its place under a white bell hung in the archway between two rooms. The Rev. Clyde McGEE, pastor of Bethany Union Church, performed the ceremony. - Mr. and Mrs. CARLSON left for a wedding trip to New York, Philadelphia and Washington, D. C., and after October 1 they will be at home to their friends at 1312 W. 98th St. ............... *Please Note: For clarity, I typed the surnames all in CAPS... I typed a ' - ' wherever a new paragraph started... and though the article starts with the word DASKETS (& it was in caps), it was probably a typo that should've read BASKETS???*

Posted June 07, 2006 at 02:05:23 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover (cont'd)
.. so Esther M. and Carl W.'s Marriage Date would be August 28, 1926 in Chicago, IL ... & notice Carl's mother's name was spelled as Hannah in this case ... there was no mention of Carl W.'s father though. Was he already deceased?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 02:13:17 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover.. again
noticed they were to be living w/ Carl's mother Hannah after the honeymoon! Maybe the 1930 census will still have them in her household.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 02:38:36 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to Room & HalfIrishRover again
Maybe the marriage actually took place in Southtown, Illinois? Maybe someone here could tell you if that's a separate town from Chicago, or if it's actually just a 'section' of Chicago. I can't find it listed in my National Zip Code Directory.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 03:14:37 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover
more thoughts.... Rewrite posted the correct 1920 census info for your John F. CLAUSSEN, wife Anna, daughters Esther and Ruth. It has the same street address for them that Esther's wedding notice gave (only difference: wedding notice was later, 1926, & it must've become 'W. 101st St.' by then). The Enumeration Date for that 1920 census page was January 8, 1920... John F. CLAUSSEN was still living, age 46 - but he was NOT mentioned in Esther's wedding notice. So, he either died sometime between Jan. 8, 1920 - Aug. 28, 1926 ... or... he divorced Anna during that timeframe, wouldn't you think?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 03:37:39 from 193.203.148.146 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Rewrite, Donna, Siusaidh
THANK YOU SO MUCH! You guys are brilliant! I hardly know where to begin to reply to all the precious things you have given me. The wedding account of Esther is very important to me. I would love to have an electronic copy. And yes, it is very possible that Lizette was abandoned. For years, we'd heard a story that a man who was a butcher (JF Claussen was listed as one in the 1880 census) had abandoned his family and moved elsewhere (perhaps California, perhaps someplace else) to open a chain of butcher shops. I never dreamt it would actually be confirmed in writing in a census. I would really like that 1910 census to share with other family members. I think they would be fascinated. JF Claussen had children I did not know about, and who knows how many more if he had a second family. I'd love to follow that up. Even if he was a dirty dog for leaving Lizette. Siusaidh, I would be interested in getting the Oshkosh JFClaussen obit. It is possible that was a second son with the same name if that's where Sr. moved when he dumped family #1. Donna, the Chicago Trib obits on Esther Carlson turn out to be other women. 'Mine' died in 1985, three years before this set. I do hope you can email me the wedding notice, though, because that is definitely her! You caught that Carl W.'s father was not mentioned and asked if he was deceased. Yes, he was. I've learned his name was likely Carl A. Carlson and he was born in Sweden. He died during an operation in Chicago in 1904 or 1905. If those obits are available, it would be wonderful to have it. If I'm REALLY lucky, it will have Carl A.'s parents name or some other tidbits. And yes, Hanna (or Hannah as it's spelled in the census) lived with her son Carl and daughter in law Esther and was the bane of the young bride's existence for many years. But I'd still like to learn more about her. Is there a census that shows Hannah and Carl Carlson in 1900? Or Hannah with sons Carl and Milton in 1910 or 1920? I'd love to know who is listed as head of household for the 1930 census - Hannah, Carl and Esther were all together then, anticipating the birth of Dorothy in April. Depending on when the census was done, she might even be in there. She'd certainly be on the 1940 one. THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH, all of you!

Posted June 07, 2006 at 03:44:02 from 193.203.148.146 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Donna
John F. Claussen WAS mentioned in Esther's wedding notice. My information from family members is that he died in 1951, long after the wedding. It was Carl Walter Carlson's father that wasn't mentioned - he died when Carl Walter was only 8 or 9. I don't know what 'Southtown' was - I've never heard of it as a separate town. I would guess it was the section of Chicago. Carl Walter's daughter Dorothy always referred to her home as 'the south side of Chicago.'

Posted June 07, 2006 at 03:55:12 from 193.203.148.146 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Donna
Is it possible to look up immigration records on LIZETTE NISSEN? According to the Chicago census data in 1910, she immigrated in 1869. My informant tells me that she married her Carlson husband in 1870. I'd love to know more about her.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 04:25:42 from 204.60.211.148 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover
Oops! thanks for correcting me. At the end I mixed up the 2 husbands LOL.. been awake almost 24 hrs. & guess I'm tired now :-) I'll try to email the newspaper article (or the page, if I can) but first will try to catch an hr or 2 of sleep before my kids get up. So TTYL!

Posted June 07, 2006 at 04:29:17 from 194.165.181.18 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Donna
It's easy to get confused. Deserting husbands, dying husbands..desperate housewives, eh? Sweet dreams and thanks again.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 08:49:49 from 209.240.207.77 Remove Post?
ax to all
In the 1920s Chicago was divided by the mobs. O'Banion ran the north side and John Torrio ran the south side = South Town. In 1925 Al Capone took over.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 10:41:43 from 71.65.78.179 Remove Post?
jsbaker to anyone
Does anyone have any information on Tobe or Connie Bell Beard. Tobe passed away in 1963 and Connie Bell in 1968. They were my grandparents and lived in Rossville, Ga. Walker County.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 11:05:46 from 209.240.207.77 Remove Post?
ax to js
Tobe Beard b 20 Mar 1897. d July 1963.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 15:13:11 from 209.240.207.77 Remove Post?
ax to all
Where are all the night owls ?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:31:22 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrishRover
so glad that image worked for you! I have a very slow dialup connection & it took an entire hour just in the 'sending' mode. Then I immediately received a delivery failure email about it, so I didn't think it went through. Glad I checked my email before trying it again LOL. Thanks for letting me know!

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:34:44 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to ax
thanks for finding that info about Southtown (Chicago).

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:48:42 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Donna
I’m from Chicago.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:49:47 from 194.165.161.10 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Donna
I shared the newspaper article with my mom and she was tickled pink. It has so many wonderful details - the flowers, the dress - a wonderful gift for me and her. She was supposed to visit me in Ireland but had a car accident and now has a little cabin fever. This has given her something new to think about.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:56:31 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Holly,Donna,Leagen
I think the Clausen site I sent you is from Germany.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 16:58:03 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to jsbaker
this agrees w/ what Ax posted for you... Social Security Death Index (SSDI) has: ~ Name: Tobe Beard - SSN: 253-09-8407 - Last Residence: Georgia - Born: 20 Mar 1897 - Died: Jul 1963 - State (Year) SSN issued: Georgia (Before 1951 )

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:00:54 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to Ax
well that explains it LOL.. knew you had lots of ties in IL, but not that you were from Chicago before.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:02:31 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to HalfIrish
that's wonderful! you've made my day too :-) How is your mother related to Esther?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:05:04 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
Ax to Donna
My dad even met Capone in the early 40s.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:12:15 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to Ax
geez, I hope he didn't make a bad impression w/ Capone, LOL

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:15:52 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Donna
They just happen to meet in an old country cross road bar. Al paid for everything while he was there.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:23:05 from 194.165.161.10 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Ax
The site looks promising to me. The guy who owns it felt that there wasn't a connection, but given this new information about JF Claussen's desertion of his family, I emailed him again to ask him to reconsider - we'll see. It would be great to learn more from that! Thanks for sending it.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:25:16 from 194.165.161.10 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Ax and Donna
The Capone stories remind me of when my mom traveled from Chicago to the west coast. Everyone asked her if she knew him (as if) and how many guns she carried. They were dead serious. He certainly made the city infamous.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 17:30:31 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Holly & Donna
Other than me, Copne was the most known guy from Chicago :{

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:02:00 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to jsbaker
Image source: Year: 1930 Census Place: Rossville, Walker, Georgia Roll: 390 Page: 1B Enumeration District: 16 Image: 959.0. Enumeration Date: April 3, 1930 ~ Line #'s 94-98 - House #219 West Garden Ave. ~ BEARD, Otto - Head O 1500.00 M W 35 Married Age at 1st marriage=28 No Yes b. Georgia father b. Georgia mother b. Georgia Yes Foreman - Textile, Wages, Yes Veteran=Yes-WWI ~ BEARD, Connie - Wife-H F W 24 Married Age at 1st marriage=18 No Yes b. Georgia father b. Tennessee mother b. Georgia Yes Occupation=none ~ BEARD, Andrew Jackson - Son M W 5 Single No b. Georgia both parents b. Georgia ~ BEARD, James William - Son M W 3 yrs 6 months Single No b. Georgia both parents b. Georgia ~ BEARD, Ralph Lewis - Son M W 2 yrs 2 months Single No b. GA both parents b. GA ..................... and there's another BEARD family household directly below Ralph's name, Line #'s 99-100 - they are also at the same House #219 West Garden Ave. ~ BEARD, Cordie - Head Un Un F W 30 Married Age at 1st marriage=14 No Yes b. GA both parents b. GA Yes Spinner - Textile, Wages Yes ~ BEARD, Vada - Daughter F W 15 Single Yes Yes b. GA both parents b. GA Yes Occupation=none ~ (this household continues to next page, Sht. 2A) ~ Line #1 - BEARD, Dennis D. - Son M W 8 Single Yes Yes b. GA both parents b. GA ........ and oddly enough, further down that page, there's 2 BELL households right next to each other. Will need to check further to see if connected w/ your Connie BELL BEARD.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:06:38 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to Ax
hehe & what were you most known for? LOL ... seriously though, that's quite a story you got passed down.... and Holly's story too!

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:09:38 from 204.60.21.224 Remove Post?
Donna to Ax / HalfIrish / jsbaker / CDMom & other lurkers
kids have their computer time now (as promised), so I'll TTYL.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:14:35 from 194.165.178.195 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to all
Here is a mystery to solve. What happened to CARL A. CARLSON, b. in Sweden, father of Carl Walter Carlson b. Chicago in 1895. I know what some family members say - that he died in Chicago in either 1904 or 1905 on the operating table during a gall bladder operation. Is there any way to confirm this? I am almost wondering if he deserted his family after hearing about his wife, Hannah Paulsen. As I understand it, they met on the boat coming to America, married, and settled in Chicago. Whether they married in Chicago or in the east, I do not know. Can you help me find out more about this man?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:29:08 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Donna
We were the heavest set of twins ever born in the state of IL up tp 1938.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 18:38:18 from 209.240.207.73 Remove Post?
ax to Holly & Donna
There are 2 Carl W Carlson’s from IL on SS, one b 1903 and the other 1911. One died in TX the other in WI.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 19:12:05 from 193.203.149.41 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Ax and Donna
Neither one of these is the Carl Carlson I'm searching for. Do you see anything about Carl A. Carlson dying around 1904 or 5?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 19:17:52 from 193.203.149.41 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to Ax and Donna
I am virtually positive that Carl W. was born in Chicago in 1895. The question is what happened to his father?

Posted June 07, 2006 at 19:44:04 from 193.203.149.41 Remove Post?
HalfIrishRover to ANYONE
One last post before bed: Is there a census that shows Hannah and (we think Carl) Carlson with son Carl in Chicago in 1900? Or Hannah Carlson with sons Carl and Milton in 1910? Eager to learn what you can find. These files are locked to me.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 20:29:22 from 209.240.207.77 Remove Post?
ax to ½irish
Was Milton a Carlson too ? If he was that means Carl A had to be alive in 1909.

Posted June 07, 2006 at 21:21:39 from 204.111.84.123 Remove Post?
Cephe to ALL
Hello everyone. It has been a while since I have been in the chat room. I am still researching FAHNESTOCK, MCINTURFF, BUTLER, HENSHAW, MARSHALL, BAKER, CROSEN, CROUSE AND PLACE in the Shenandoah Valley of VA (Frederick County, Shenandoah County) and Berkeley County, (VA) WV.



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